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Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 12, 2007 06:26PM

I'm hoping that someone here can help me. A person I know is starting a business and needs to do bulk emailing. They don't know any of the new bulk emailing software. They used to use Power Email Harvester, Email Validator and the Dynamic Software-but that was still years ago. .But can someone tell me what the best new software out there is to use is (that they can get a Key or crack for). Also, since they want to remain annonymous , sothey're not sure what the best approach to actually email the info is……a internet café would take care of the Ip, but they want to know if there are any servers that you suggest-anything will help. Also they're not that great with this stuff so , Kid=language will help. If anyone can email me or post any info (I will pass the info along), They would appreciate it-the person I know wants to get it out asap.

Thanks :)

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 13, 2007 12:57PM

What are the requirements? Anything in particular you are looking for? Velocity? Anonymous? Open rate tracking? etc...?

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 15, 2007 09:28PM

They're looking for a program that is completely Anonymous and that is pretty quick. THey want the IP pretty much untraceable. Also would be great if the extraction program is the same as sender-wants to concentrate on extracting from health groups and health sites (if not that ok too). They aren't looking for a HUGE program, jsut a normal one. I guess they need a server too or if you know of any sites they can get a keygen or password too and they can use there server. Any other advice would be appreciated.


Thanks
-Bite*Me

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 15, 2007 09:53PM

So he doesn't already have a list? He needs to scrape too? Hmmm...

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 16, 2007 11:23AM

Extraction isn't that important. They can extract anytime. they are more worried about the actual sending. Even though its obvious they are sending the mail because it is there company. THey wantTO be invisible to the FDA (if they ever look into it) who they had problems with before. And now they aren't selling any type of crazy chemical drugs..........they're selling apricot seeds which help people with cancer. Thats they're main concern. So if big brother ever looks, they need a server and program to send the mail. $$$ is tight so for now they are gonna use the means of usenext or rapidshare for now. Any advice? (think of it as your helping humanity from getting rid of cancer)

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: digi7al64
Date: January 16, 2007 08:51PM

Sorry to jump in on the thread, but i saw a documentary only 2 week ago on the cutting edge about spam which involved jason vale and the selling of apricot seeds to help people fight cancer.

A quick search of google brought back this.
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/apricotseeds.html

Ironic though, that your problem is with hiding the source of the email yet you must (apparently) have a seem less and untraceable payment gateway to receive money as well as an untraceable distribution center.

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'Just because you got the bacon, lettuce, and tomato don't mean I'm gonna give you my toast.'

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 17, 2007 09:45AM

Not that it matters. BUT, Jason should never have went to prison. I worked for jason for years. He's not a quack. he was the 48 person in the world to get his type of cancer and the only one to survive. My mother died of Chemo poisoning. Chemo was designed by a russian to try and kill cancer. 20 years ago they found out that it does nothing but cause cancer. The person who I'm helping out, I'm doing it cause I saw what happened to Jason First hand. I was there when the FDA raided the office. No the guy isn't Jason. Jason doesn't get out of jail for at least another 9 months. This other guy got in trouble for apricot seeds and cansema. Helping thousands of people get better from a sickness one day and being forced to stop sucks. It makes you feel like your not doing enough in the world. So I"m helping him get back on his feet. DOn't think that apricot seeds is quackery. You take 10-15 seeds a day-You will never get cancer. Chemo, radiation and whole crapload of other diseases have a cure. In two weeks there will be a site up www.cureisthepits.com (it might be up this week) it will have a documentary section-everyone should check it out.

Back to the email issue. if anyone has any advice on the server and emailer.......Please let me know. Thanks

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 17, 2007 10:52PM

Let me get back to you... I have an email out to a friend of mine who deals more closely with this than I do. My normal reaction to these kinds of requests is to build it yourself, but hearing what you are saying I think there are probably easier COTS software that might be better given your requirements.

- RSnake
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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 18, 2007 02:25AM

Thanks a lot :O)

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 18, 2007 11:36AM

From my friend, "If you want something that is near enterprise level but, more reasonable than Strongmail list List Marketer is good from what I hear. Plus, it has all the list management tools that Strongmail doesn't. http://listmarketer.com/"

- RSnake
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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: Bite*Me!
Date: January 19, 2007 01:21PM

THanks for the help. Since I want to give them a few different senarios....what do you suggest as a program (or programS) they can run from their own computer. I'm assuming that these would be not as quick and not as hiden, but do you have any suggestions for that. And is there anyway to hack onto somone elses server without them knowing (this is for informational purposes only-for me)?

THanks again for your help

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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 22, 2007 01:22PM

If you just want to build an email engine, that's super trivial to do in almost any programming language. It's like 20-100 lines of code, including pulling a file full of email addresses. The major problem with stuff like that is that they are noisy, they don't deliver batches in single connections (like all @hotmail.com is not delivered in one connection - not one email but one connection), etc... But the upside is that it's easier to spoof if you write it from scratch. Once you've compromised a machine the only trick is to ensure that they have whatever libraries you need to run your script.

And yes, there are many ways to hack into computers without getting caught. Look at http://www.milw0rm.com/ for ideas.

- RSnake
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Re: Bulk Emailing Advice
Posted by: wi1s0n
Date: July 17, 2007 03:41AM

There are many web base mailer service provider like constantcontact.com, www.verticalresponse.com, etc.. that you can just upload your list, select a template and put your content. They are pretty cheap too.

If the volume is not high, DIY using your outlook / outlook express. Create a mailing list, add your contact, create your content. Put your mailing list on your BCC list, so no one can see other recepients. Run a local smtp program that allow you to contol patch sending. Can set to send 10 mails a time between an interval. Make sure you run a proxy program to rotate your IP so your mails wont blocked bcos of too much mailing from an IP. These spam blacklist bot are real efficient now.

Hiding from FDA and traceability of your payment identity and distribution center is totally another issue. Perhaps use non US payment and have an out of state drop shipper may works. But then, be sure your whois and host info are covered too.

But then if it is a legal product, why the hassle? Go for targeted google ads and pay for the traffic, it's return should pay off itself if it is targeted right.

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