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Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: March 31, 2007 08:46AM

After someone did some rigorous spamming on my blog, I thought of an idea and like to know if this already is being done.

I have adsense on my blog, and the thing is I did had adsense on some sites a few years back, little that I know I clicked on it myself a couple of times because i was interested in some ad I saw. Then, Google blocked my account and held me for fraud. (pretty rediculous) cause I did had interest in some service I saw on my own ads.

Now, is it then possible to click a couple of hundred/thousand times on someone elses ads? and there get there account blocked? Like I go click a couple of hundred times on RSnakes ads, will he get banned then?

Not that I will do this, But I want to know if this is the case, anyone some info about it?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2007 08:48AM by jungsonn.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: busin3ss
Date: March 31, 2007 02:21PM

Yes, people in DigitalPoint call it click bombing.

You can install AdLogger and just allow one click per user to protect from an attack like that.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: christ1an
Date: April 01, 2007 05:00AM

Can confirm that from my experiences too. Furthermore friends of made got blocked because some idiots kept clicking on their ads periodically.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 01, 2007 07:31AM

Interesting...

but then it's possible to terrorize many siteowners systematicly and in the end the people who advertise via adwords ain't it?

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 01, 2007 07:43AM

Uhm but the thing is it seems full of XSS:

http://hac.kers.hu/AdSense-AdLogger-1.1-XSS-vulnerabilities-fix_a36.html
http://hac.kers.hu/AdSense_f15.html

(no not ha.ckers.org) :)



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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Date: April 02, 2007 03:21AM

I like your style when it comes to vengeance, Jungsonn. It seems like you're always getting the brunt end of the deal in terms of having your blog content ripped, and now being spammed. I think you should just run your favorite automated Request tool, set the User-Agent as something funny like "How do you like them apples?", or "Jungsonn FTW" on both their actual page (so it shows up in their server logs), and on the ads themselves so they (the service) cancels their account. Interbutt street-justice time!


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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 02, 2007 04:33AM

Well I thought about it some more, and in the end siteowners do have a lot of power in their hands. If everyone decided to block Google or MSN bot I wonder how quickly people will change search engine. Imagine, just imagine everyone blocked Google. What would happen? and what would happen to adwords/adsense when this 'click bombimg' goes to hollywood and becomes a star? Certainly, Google and other bots depend on the site owners.



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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: christ1an
Date: April 02, 2007 06:14AM

I guess, concerning the click bombing as you call it, Google meanwhile has updated their filters accordingly. Won't be as easy to get an account blocked as it was one year ago.

However the possibility exists though and that is weird indeed.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: cyst
Date: April 02, 2007 10:44AM

Jungsonn, where all is your content ripped and spammed?

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 02, 2007 01:03PM

Oh somewhere in Romania :)

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 05, 2007 10:31PM

Jungsonn, are you a romanian hacker? :) All this time I thought you were in the Netherlands, getting laid, and smoking pot.

But regarding click fraud, there are a number of ways to detect that you are doing that. Often the click companies will detect it but the advertisers themselves can also detect it and request refunds. I know waaaaay too much about click fraud, but I'm under a few NDAs on that particular topic.

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 06, 2007 08:38PM

haha the last two are correct, the first one I'm not sure of it depends on the gUrl.


but Robert, I can guess they have some statistical analysis to determing the click interval, and predict certain misbehaviour, but I do think they can't be sure of an authentic 'click'.

But if someone decides to click a couple of thousands times on my adds through different proxies, would my account be cancelled? it's no my fault, can I have a case then?

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 15, 2007 01:50AM

If you read their ToS they can cancel you at any time, so no, you wouldn't have much of a case. You can thank the lawyers for that.

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 18, 2007 03:03PM

Yep, it already happened once. it was 40$ not a big deal, but still I didn't get 1 penny.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 19, 2007 02:11PM

What were you doing that would get you canceled, pray tell?

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 20, 2007 05:40AM

I cliked a few ads, but the thing was: I was intesrested in a couple of products I saw through my own ads.

So yeah I can understand it, but 2 or 3 clicks is ridiculous. and even more if you say you are sorry you did it. But I downloaded some products and used it, so am i not a customer like the rest? *sigh*

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 21, 2007 01:09AM

They don't want your business. Are you sure it was just 2-3 clicks? I've always wondered why those companies don't have the ability to let admins say "ignore these IP's they're mine" in the interface, so you can click all you want for testing or out of interest without worrying about interfering with your revenue streams. I think really that just shows how infantile the industry is in a lot of ways.

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: [k]
Date: April 21, 2007 09:31AM

I'm pretty sure Google know who you are, based on your browser behaviour (logging in to your adwords account, for example). I know that when I first started an adwords account, my own clicks were registered but they weren't earning any money. They tell you not to click on your own ads, though, but I'm sure they know which ones are obviously yours.

The account's dead now so I can't do any further checking but that's another matter altogether.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 21, 2007 07:48PM

I've wondered that myself - never wanted to write it out-loud, but I'd be surprised if they weren't correlating the account. I guess it's one way to stop fraud. Yet another reason I got rid of adsense. Feels way too big brother-ish for my tastes.

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: [k]
Date: April 22, 2007 01:40AM

Oh, absolutely. But I suppose it's a bit of a drop in the ocean, unless you can convince all adsense account holders to do the same :)

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rsnake
Date: April 22, 2007 11:56AM

You never know... maybe someday I'll do just that. :)

- RSnake
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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: April 23, 2007 04:37PM

I think they don't know, It's a big world outthere with millions of users. Sure they can track them if they wanted, but my fair guess is that we are just a statistic, a number in some big ass charts they have.

On the point of correlating people to data, really, it's amazing how little this is being done. Or people aren't just that smart to do it efficiently, I think this is really overestimated.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: krazl
Date: January 01, 2008 10:35PM

Is it using this psuedo-code

Proxy > PHP curl > target web?

http://www.krazl.com

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: mark123
Date: November 20, 2009 02:32PM

Besides being a publisher, I am also an AdWords advertiser. I am not so concerned with spam, at least for the type of site I have.

If an advertisement for my site on.... fire trucks shows up on a page about fire trucks which would be viewed by people interested in fire trucks, I do not mind, and I don't care if it is a spam site.

Bottom line, if it brings interested, relevant traffic, I am happy.

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: rvdh
Date: November 21, 2009 10:12AM

Are you selling fire trucks? You spammer guys get sillier by the day. Yes you suck, happy now? http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum89/4547.htm

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Re: Google Adsense Spam
Posted by: winwalk
Date: October 09, 2013 01:10AM

haha the last two are correct

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