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Question!
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: January 18, 2007 10:51AM

Okay not hacking stuff but a SEO question:

A client of mine has frameset sites, it nees to stay that way. Okay, he says that its not good for SE's for indexing. But this sounds strange cause my first site: jungsonn.com is also a frameset, with pagerank 3.

I read so much info and everybody says different stuff.

So who is right? are framesets index? I think it does, like the case of my first site, which is a framed forward. hope there is someone who can shed light on this issue, mainly to backup my story.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: sharoncreech
Date: January 18, 2007 01:08PM

Frames are usually problem.Read what google say about frames:

Google supports frames to the extent that it can. Frames can cause problems for search engines because they don't correspond to the conceptual model of the web. In this model, one page displays only one URL. Pages that use frames display several URLs (one for each frame) within a single page. If Google determines that a user's query matches the page as a whole, it will return the entire frame set. However, if the user's query matches an individual frame within the larger frame set, Google returns only the relevant frame. In this case, the entire frame set of the page will not appear....etc...
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34445

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Re: Question!
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: January 18, 2007 02:28PM

Yes that sounds logical, thanks.


I made a small javascript into a page to prevent breaking out of frames:

<script>
if(top.frames.length > 0)
top.location.href=self.location;
</script>


But still, due to technical reasons it can only be a frameset. Well, it's a pity but can't help it otherwise then to make meta tags I guess.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 18, 2007 09:28PM

Yes, but it's really more the other way around. It's more where the frame won't be there even though it should because the search engine sends them to the page with content (a sub frame) and not the parent. So you have to do something like what MSDN does and re-build the frames if it detects the frame isn't there. So sort of the inverse of what your script does.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: January 19, 2007 09:57AM

Okay sounds interesting, not sure how though.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 22, 2007 01:16PM

var url;
url = "http://www.mysite.com/framedurl";
if (top = self) { top.location.href = url };

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Re: Question!
Posted by: digi7al64
Date: January 22, 2007 05:49PM

framejammer (javascript) is the best solution for you.

http://www.pawluk.com/public/dwextensions/frameJamJS.shtml

It goes a little further then rsnakes solution as it actually ensures the page you visited is loaded into the frameset, as opposed to just the original frameset being loading with the default page.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: rsnake
Date: January 22, 2007 08:49PM

Yah, that is better. Sorry, I was in a hurry when I posted that. It was more of a PoC.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: January 23, 2007 11:08AM

Mkay, i'm gonna take a look at that one, thanks guys!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2007 11:09AM by jungsonn.

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Re: Question!
Posted by: bind
Date: April 11, 2012 12:13AM

Framing in website is not good for search engine crawler indexing because coding of frame based website is much difficult and take more time to index such types of web pages.

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