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Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: August 20, 2006 06:42PM

http://www.uncjin.org/Laws/extradit/extindx.htm Based on that, it would be interesting to be able to build a tool to know which country you should be in if you want to be the furthest away from the legal juristiction from another country without repeating hops. So perhaps from the US it would be China, and then from China, North Korea, then South Korea, then Japan, etc... As long as the countries do not have extradition treaties or very unstable relationships, it is a plausible way to make tracking your connection much more difficult.

This is a concept prior to the Tor days, but I still think Tor has a number of issues for actual attack stealth, but I'd be the first to admit I haven't played with Tor security enough.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: trix
Date: August 20, 2006 06:50PM

might be interesting if someone parsed that site and generated a network graph and selects the best(expensive) path.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: August 20, 2006 07:04PM

It feels easy enough to do. There may be other ways to do this as well, based on time get get warrants, and the individual infosec laws, etc... Which would add a serious level of complexity. That part feels like something a lawyer would better be able to help with.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: kirke
Date: September 20, 2006 12:09PM

such a tool exists as public proxy: JAP
Or do I miss something here?

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: September 20, 2006 12:19PM

That's okay if nothing is ever logged, and the governments in question don't allow wiretapping. I'm talking about not even getting that far, by putting the proxy locations in such a way that there are no extradition treaties with the countries that they connect to so wiretapping would never happen in the first place.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: Kanatoko
Date: November 19, 2006 11:45AM

Sorry I posted to wrong thread.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2006 11:47AM by Kanatoko.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 19, 2006 11:47PM

Good resource ... but outdated ?? "1996 UNCJIN"

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 20, 2006 10:43AM

This is one of those projects that's never going to go anywhere if I'm in charge of it. I just have way too many flames burning this candle. But yes, it's probably out of date since countries have changed since 10 years ago. But wouldn't it be a interesting tool to know which countries you had to bounce through to create the greatest barrier for back-tracking a complete session to it's point of origin?

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: maluc
Date: November 20, 2006 04:30PM

not to mention, where you need to move to once the hammer starts to drop and the FBI pay you a visit.

-maluc

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 20, 2006 06:41PM

An even better point. Although I think that's sorta a one stop jump. But what have you got to hide maluc? You're an upstanding guy, right?

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 21, 2006 06:22AM

*all eyes in the room roll towards maluc*

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: maluc
Date: November 21, 2006 12:18PM

>.> <.<

i have no record for hacking-related crimes .. which is what matters :x

-maluc

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 21, 2006 05:02PM

I think that is the only thing that matters after 7 years is up for the statute of limitations. It's funny... they say the people who know the law the best are the criminals.

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: maluc
Date: November 21, 2006 07:06PM

i dunno if it's wise to put faith in the statue of limitations though.. there's plenty of overly broad both state and federal laws, that they could try to shove it under instead. particularly, for computer crimes with financial profits. they can try to tack on tax evasion (how they got Capone), or if you use someone elses credentials they can tack on identity theft, or if it values more than 10,000USD there's an extra crime for that..

i think if there's one thing you should gamble on.. it's just to stay under the radar. the government's computer taskforce is farrr undermanned. don't go rooting .mil/.gov servers or using data lists of government employees or being a 20yearold spammer buying a 400,000$ house in cash.

Buy gold bars through a third party. ^^

-maluc

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 21, 2006 10:01PM

Case in point, nice explanation of the law there, maluc. :)

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: maluc
Date: November 21, 2006 10:15PM

lol, you were quick on the '7 years' knowledge yourself, rsnake ;P

-maluc

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Re: Extradition Treaties Map
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 22, 2006 10:20AM

There are two doctrines by which I think most of what we do falls under. The first is "the truth shall set you free." If we ever use this for malice we are in trouble, but since I can in fact say with confidence that I never use this information for malice, I believe I am safe.

The second is "nullum crimen, nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali" which basically translates to if you don't break a law it's not a crime, which is a long hand way of saying "ex post facto" meaning you cannot be prosecuted for a crime committed before there is a law against the crime and more importantly you cannot be prosecuted by a law that was made after you committed the crime. Until someone tells us otherwise or the laws change I think we can safely say we are within our legal rights to hack ourselves.

That said, touche, maluc. ;)

- RSnake
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