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hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 27, 2006 03:48PM

I just got a new lenovo laptop for some of my side projects today. Happily I boot it up and then the depression kicks in. First thing first, it starts scanning my drive. What have we here? A little Google Desktop installed for me by default? Fantastic, just what I've never wanted. Oh, what's this other annoying thing here taking up CPU upon booting? Oh, it's another ugly application I don't want called Google's Picasso. And then for the grand finale I find that Internet Explorer has come custom installed with Google Spyware Web Accelerator.

I challenge anyone to explain to me how Google's web accelerator and indeed their page rank tool isn't spyware. Go ahead and try. I dare you.

Anyway, it'll take me a while to clean this thing up and secure it, but only after I remove everything they installed and get some tools installed to insure it's not trying to phone home. Until then it stays off the network, period. Google is evil.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: November 27, 2006 06:15PM

It's the world upside down if you ask me, when one needs to adjust/strip apps from a pc to make it more secure. :))

well... that perfect world... *sigh*

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 29, 2006 05:15AM

blame the vendors !

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 29, 2006 09:28PM

Vendors are not building the spyware, it's Google that's building the spyware. Anyway, the computer is all fixed now. I'm loving it.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 30, 2006 08:54AM

The way I see it google gives you an option to choose whether you want to install their products on ur box or not... it is your vendor who did the mistake by making that choice on behalf of you... hell even i hate google web accelerator ... but i wont blame google for making it becoz i believe someone else might actually want to use such software....

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 30, 2006 11:19AM

Perhaps. I'm not a Google lover by nature. They have some very questionable hiring practices and do some very scary thing with everyone's private "yet indexable" information. It is my mission to spread the word of how evil Google is. I never understood how people could be so in love with a banner advertiser anyway. And have you noticed that their search engine really doesn't work very well lately? It's full of spam and has way fewer results. Compare the number of results http://www.google.com/search?biw=945&hl=en&q=google+sucks&btnG=Google+Search against http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=google+sucks&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt I've completely switched over to Omniture (Yahoo's search engine). At least with Omniture I can find what I'm looking for. Oh, and remember why we started using Google? "It's so free of clutter... there's no advertising on it." Uh... have you seen the search results page lately (search for "camera")? It's hard to tell what's sponsored and what's not now except we've all trained our eyes to the center of the screen to try to block out the annoyances. Meanwhile for nearly anything you want to search for they put Wikipedia in the first or second slot. Why not just use Wikipedia instead and save yourself a click? How is Google any better anymore?

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858 (privacy fun)
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=92977 (more privacy fun)
http://news.stepforth.com/blog/2005/08/googles-bad-pr-day.php (this Google Exec doesn't like his own dog food)

I don't know why I always feel like I'm being blasphemous when I say anything negative about Google. They put out half baked products (most of which they didn't even build, they actually had to buy it compare http://www.google.com/dirhp to the far older http://www.dmoz.org/ ). They never improve their products (look at Orkut compared to MySpace or Google Desktop compared to Yahoo Desktop or Google Maps compared to http://maps.yahoo.com/beta/ ) other than the completely useless Mars Maps perhaps. Most importantly, they've somehow swindled millions of otherwise intelligent people into thinking they are programmer's best friends all the while they are data mining and selling your information to the highest bidder.

No thanks. No cool-aid for me. They only time I use Google these days is for testing purposes. They are a tool that I use when I must, nothing more. There's no love there. And when Yahoo gets worse than Google, I'll switch to whatever is best at that time - even if it's Google. I'm not a religious fanatic, I'm just very pragmatic.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: Kyran
Date: November 30, 2006 01:42PM

I agree wholeheartedly RSnake.
Google was great when it was just a handful of decent products plus their search engine. Namely, almost two years ago. As of late, all Google is doing is using their newfound economic strength to absorb other services and slap the Google logo on it. Everything made in Google labs is someones side-project which eventually turn into a half-finished Google beta. They say products stay in beta long because they want time for it to grow. I think they want time to screw around in the Googleplex.

- Kyran

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 30, 2006 01:48PM

Neither am i a google fanatic and i wouldnt dispute on *most* of what you said rsnake . For me personally i dont trust anyone online .. but when it comes to just having to trust anyone Id rather it be google than anyone else. Ill have to admit i havent been using yahoo for quite some time now.. but one cannot forget that yahoo was the premier search engine about 7-8 years back and they did loose on that to google. Love them or hate them but lifes at least a little better with them.

And the part where i disagree with you ..
"They have some very questionable hiring practices"
atleast i dont think so ... theyve hired me :D



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2006 01:49PM by abhishake.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: Kyran
Date: November 30, 2006 01:53PM

Look what forum you're posting on and blog your reading. Maybe just a little questionable unless your a security consultant for Google? :P

Although I think he was referring to the lawsuits regarding Google 'stealing' employees from big name companies.

- Kyran

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: November 30, 2006 02:01PM

Well actually no ... I havent joined them yet ... have to complete my education first so as of now im officially not a google employee :)

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: November 30, 2006 02:04PM

Yes, Kyran, and also, I have four or five close friends who have interviewed there. They were just about the best in their field in each of the areas they were interviewing in, and at least half of them never even got a call back. Another one was a MBA from MIT, a product manager for 4 years with a fortune 500, many years of management under his belt and just the nicest guy to boot. If he's not getting hired but some of the other people I've met who have zero experience, are not nice people but have a Stanford education are getting hired... sorry, that's questionable.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: November 30, 2006 08:15PM

Google scares me. Still it is a company that needs to make profits. The biggest thing i deter is that they have a huge influence on FireFox (that's why the google search is included in FF). That isn't good. Really.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 03, 2006 09:41PM

I kinda wanted to start a website called "idneverworkthere.com" and list every company I'd never work for and why. Sorta a http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ clone with a slightly different twist.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 03, 2006 09:44PM



- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: December 04, 2006 02:36AM

Haha that would be fun.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: December 04, 2006 08:39AM

lolz

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 06, 2006 07:02PM

This was sent to me today: http://blog.centraldesktop.com/comments.php?y=06&m=12&entry=entry061206-010627

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 11, 2006 04:52PM

You sure you want to work there abhishake?

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/008122.html

Eesh!

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 11, 2006 04:54PM

Hahah, if you look at the Google version of the browser in the ad... the upper left... they faded out the Yahoo red Y. Ghetto!

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: maluc
Date: December 12, 2006 01:10AM

wow, looks like they just used the spraypaint button in paint to fade it. Why they faded when they could've just made it completely tan, is beyond me. =.=

someone was definitely feeling lazy..

-maluc

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 12, 2006 10:23AM

That's pretty blatant... and the worst part is that they did it on purpose. You can't accidentally spray paint an image to remove your competitor. I could see downloading the source and saying you want to make something similar and ending up with nearly the same thing. But this is obvious plagiarism and copyright theft.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 12, 2006 11:42AM

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ie7-promo-page/ Matt Cutts' pompous response. Instead of owning up to it he briefly makes an apology for whomever could have possibly done anything wrong at Google (fancy that) and then quickly changes the subject about something else that Yahoo did wrong. Very mature, Matt.

I think the example he brought to light is very very un-related. One is stylistic, the other is ripping the images and intentionally modifying it. One is graphic artists seeing the value in a web-design and mimicking it and another is whipping out photoshop and airbrushing out your competitor's logo. Also, if Adsense created a standard width that other banner advertisers have to adhere to it makes sense that they have the same hight, width and character limits. Way to go, Google, way to hoodwink the consumer, steal your competitor's content and blame them for playing within the boundaries that your monopoly creates.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: December 17, 2006 04:21AM

lol ... http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/008122.html is hilarious... lmao.. caught with their pants down!

To answer your question rsnake yes id still want to work there. To me personally google is something that has revolutionalized the way things are done on the internet. Rewind back to the days when yahoo essentially ruled the web. I can still recall me sitting in front of my 166 MHz PC with a 36K dailup connection patiently waiting for obtrusive graphical ads to clog my screen. Fast forward today, most of the pages are slick and clean thanks to the advent of text ads.

Again rewind back to the days when web storage was offered to the user as if it were gold. Free web based email was more like a "favour" than a service. 10 MB storage spaces, restricted access and not to mention again ugly, cloggy and obtrusive ads. Sure I could enjoy the good life, but then id have to purchase a "Premium account". Fast forward to now: everyones keen on offering Gigabytes of storage, POP access and other "Premium" services for free.

Two examples that demonstrate one thing: the importance given to the common user is changing. What prompted such a change of attitude of everyone towards the user? Is it because everyone wants the user to benefit or is it because everyone wants to repeat the success achieved by google. My Point: There is plagiarism all around you. Some times it is plagiarism of images, other times it is plagiarism of philosophy.

Thats one of the main reasons id want to work for them. They are a company that genuinely focuses on providing quality services to the user rather than try and squeeze every dime out of them. :)

PS: Exam time so forgive the delays in responding.

Edit : Added PS.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2006 04:29AM by abhishake.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 18, 2006 10:02AM

You're definitely right about them offering more free services so they can gain market share. For good or for bad, people now have tons of "free" tools at their disposal. But I'd like to comment on the word "free" here before you actually fool someone else into believing that. Nothing is free. It's a truism but in this case it really is true. Google monetizes everything. They advertise everywhere. They use your personal information within emails to target ads to you. One of their biggest customers is the US government. I'm sure some people think that's just hunky dory, but that's the absolute last thing I want when I'm reading email is contextual ads based on private exchanges or my information being sold.

But you're right, I was one of the very first people to switch to Google back when they had only a handful of users. They were faster, they had better results and since I didn't use any of the portal tools that AltaVista had to offer (I had long switched from Yahoo to Altavista because they were the best at that point) it was an easy switch. (Btw, now I use my own page that is literally 1/3rd the size of Google's page, because even that has become very heavy weight, and I don't trust the tracking they do). But don't fool yourself. Google modeled themselves heavily off of AltaVista's design (they just had less stuff to begin with - hence the even more streamlined design), and completely plagerized Overture's contextual advertizing. Not only that they didn't just start spidering the Internet, they bought tons of data from DMOZ and still use their descriptions to this day. I actually only know of two things that Google did first. Pagerank and Ajax maps.

Pagerank was very cool. It made sense, it worked better and it was easy for people to understand. However, if you think Pagerank looks anything like it used to, you're kidding yourself. They've made it as contrived as any other method of measuring websites - to the point where no one outside of Google knows for sure how it works, except for perhaps a few spammers. Google's results are now completely inferior to Overture's/Yahoo's. There's less data, and worse quality. Not to say that I'm completely in love with Yahoo's model - there is room for improvement.

Ajax maps were cool. I have to admit, I was definitely caught up in the Ajax map madness. But there were UI issues. It didn't help you find addresses, it didn't ask you if you wanted shortest distance or fewest turns, and it didn't have any other rich features. It was just a dynamic map. Okay, maybe they'll upgrade. I've been waiting for years now, and no updates. Sure they were the first, but if you compare that with Yahoo's beta maps, or Microsoft's Virtual Earth, they've blown Google out of the water. Google isn't even the third best. They're also worse than ESRI's dynamic maps, and Mapquest is coming out with a JavaScript API that will also be better. So 5th place... But those Mars maps were cool. Useless but cool.

They did revolutionize things, I'll give you that, but now it's time to find something less pompus and that actually understands UI.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: December 18, 2006 11:23AM

You know I like FireFox as browser, and i know they get alot of support from Google, almost so much that one can clearly claims that Google Pwns FireFox. That's something I don't like, too much commercial influence into something that should be fully Open Source. And the only reason FireFox has the Google searchbar build-in. Many critize on M$ for packing every OS with their media player and MSIE, but what Google and FireFox do together is the same. M$ could in theory also claim that it is not fair that MSN Live search is not included, or not on top.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 18, 2006 01:39PM

Correct. I don't think I have a clear favorite as far as browsers are concerned. Firefox suits my testing/security needs but IE has a lot better functionality built into it. Aside from that religious debate, the interconnectedness between publically traded companies and browsers is a tad disturbing. I guess one could argue that open source is better, but nothing has proven that yet because nothing stays open source long enough to prove that it's better before getting completely overwhelmed by big companies.

Btw, I've stripped everything Google out of my version of Firefox. I'm getting ready to start building defensive tools to stop my system from connecting to anything of Google's without my strict permission. Google just builds too much spyware.

- RSnake
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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: December 18, 2006 03:31PM

Did you also removed the so called: "anti phishing feature" ?
which connects to Google as well?

BTW I blogged about it today, I had a rendezvous with the feature and found out that what they planned to fix, isn't working, I tryed different encodings, and sites still get passed, see my link for fresh examples. It's a real mess.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: rsnake
Date: December 18, 2006 07:55PM

Alas, no, that is one thing I have not turned off (I did turn off the checking Google but it does still pull the blacklist). I'm sure there are others. That's why I need something more defensive than simply going through about:config etc... They have built too many different forms of spyware to keep track of.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: jungsonn
Date: December 19, 2006 02:19AM

You can strip it out if you want, but requires modding the chrome. By now i'm getting more to the point of extreme modding FireFox to my needs. Think i'm going to release my own version, fully stripped and maybe some extensions build-in, like Tor, NoScript.

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Re: hating google today
Posted by: abhishake
Date: January 01, 2007 01:31PM

http://cyber-knowledge.net/blog/2007/01/01/gmail-vulnerable-to-contact-list-hijacking/

baad baad way to start the new year for neone

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